Optimistic Paranoid
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You're talking state of CA or?
The Random Thoughts Thread
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This just pisses me off...
http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/10/25/...roposes-70-entrance-fee-for-17-popular-parks/
...I already pay taxes to support public lands/National Parks. Why do tax paying US citizens have to pay the same entrance fees as foreign tourists?
http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/10/25/...roposes-70-entrance-fee-for-17-popular-parks/
...I already pay taxes to support public lands/National Parks. Why do tax paying US citizens have to pay the same entrance fees as foreign tourists?
I think that there's an agenda, with some people, to quietly decrease the number of visitors to some of these places. Yosemite for example cannot sustain the current number of visitors much less the inevitable increase in years to come. There's only so much land there in that valley, and "more infrastructure" is a double edged sword.
One way to decrease the load on the environment and existing infrastructure is to crank up prices.
One way to decrease the load on the environment and existing infrastructure is to crank up prices.
Optimistic Paranoid
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As an alternative viewpoint, just to play Devil's Advocate, it's people actually USING a resource paying for it's upkeep, instead of everyone paying for it whether they use it or not.
Optimistic Paranoid
Adventurist
Understand that I am not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm one of those people who are cursed with the ability to see both sides of most issues.
From a historical perspective, I rather doubt that the average American worker could afford to take off several weeks and travel across the country by train just to see some scenery and some wildlife, back when the first National Park was created. It was pretty much something only the well-to-do could afford, even back then.
Hopefully, we can avoid having it happen again.
even though I live in AZ I already have a CA campfire permit just in case I cross over to the dark side.....
It sure is. I posit that our resources are not being preserved FOR the public, but rather FROM the public.
The goal in my opinion (tinfoil hats on boys!) has always been to corral we plebeians into the urban/suburban areas and limit ingress/egress into wilderness areas that cannot be monitored/enforced. Fees, permits and other bureaucratic red tape serve as additional "fences" to limit freedom of movement and use.
As the fences and gates have gone up over the years, we the people really have lost the "free access" that our forebears once enjoyed. I know first hand that many of the places my grandfather hunted and fished in the PNW are no longer available to me as they were to him and his peers. No doubt this knowledge fuels my inner loathing of gates, fees and permits in general.
woody
Adventurist
A good option is to get a pass good for a year (substantial savings) before they increase that price also. As for your question it mirrors the question of how people here illegally can pay resident prices for college tuition?
brentbba
Adventurist
Saw this info posted over on Expo Portal too! Remember, these are annual permits expiring 12.31, not yearly from the date you get it!
When does an Annual Pass expire?
Whether you buy the pass for yourself, or as a gift, the Annual Pass is valid for 12 months from the month of purchase, expiring the last day of that month.
https://store.usgs.gov/faq#Annual-Pass
woody
Adventurist
Campfire Permits are issued and expire on a current calendar year format whereas Park/Access passes (or whatever they are called) are good from date of purchase for a period of 1 year as pointed out. Two different animals guys. They even hammered the"Geezer" passes, went from $10 to $80 but they are lifetime. 80 Bucks? I don't even buy green bananas , Damn!
my fault, I had 2 different subjects floating around my head and that is just too much to keep track of.
For the fire permit, if it is issued by a ranger they hand write in the expiration and can make it for as long or short of a time period as they see fit
Gallowbraid
Adventurist
Since it looks like I'll be living in California for most of next year (we're remodeling many of the San Diego area stores) this is some good info on fire permits.
On an east coast note, here's a photograph of a fire permit in Georgia:
On an east coast note, here's a photograph of a fire permit in Georgia:
woody
Adventurist
Rub it in, and I'll venture that you can buy more than x number of bullets per month too !!
brentbba
Adventurist
...or be able to purchase bullets for an unregistered gun!
woody
Adventurist
From a friend out of the back of his pickup with STANDARD size mags