Snow Peak....anonymous

Here’s the Kovea 3 Way “All in One”, I’ll be doing a review on this soon. Kovea is Snow Peak’s competition from Korea.

I really like the concept, and the fact that this eliminates the need for separate pots/pans to be carried. I’m waiting on the canvas carrying case to arrive which will make transport easy with literally an entire kitchen minus utensils in one bag.

This might be the game changer I’ve been looking for. Maybe not. We’ll see!

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That little stove sure does look very nice to me. Lot's of versatility there to be sure. I wanted your opinion on a few things about it if you don't mind:

How many people do you suspect you could feed with it? It looks like the grill could hold 6 bratwurst or about three hamburgers.

How long do you expect to get out of one of those fuel cannisters if you think you might use it two or maybe three times a day?

Is the fuel readily available? I did see there is some form of extra adapter you can purchase for another fuel type but I'm not sure how it would fit in there.

All in all that stove looks really nice and could help to solve a lot of cooking issues. I'd just like to see and hear some real world experience with them. At this point the cost would have me a little gun shy unless it really works well.
 
That little stove sure does look very nice to me. Lot's of versatility there to be sure. I wanted your opinion on a few things about it if you don't mind:

How many people do you suspect you could feed with it? It looks like the grill could hold 6 bratwurst or about three hamburgers.

How long do you expect to get out of one of those fuel cannisters if you think you might use it two or maybe three times a day?

Is the fuel readily available? I did see there is some form of extra adapter you can purchase for another fuel type but I'm not sure how it would fit in there.

All in all that stove looks really nice and could help to solve a lot of cooking issues. I'd just like to see and hear some real world experience with them. At this point the cost would have me a little gun shy unless it really works well.

Great questions. Here we go:

You can feed 3-4 on this easy. 3 hamburgers is pretty accurate. There is a LARGE size of this same stove if you want it bigger. But I liked this form factor which is ideal for 2-3 really.

Butane is pretty ubiquitous (Asian stores all have it) and can be had on Amazon etc for less money than IsoButane.
 
Thank you very much for the input, @Dave !

After looking for more info in the Snow Peak Grill Burner, it seems like it would be another one-trick pony, and I already have several of those. Gonna pass on it.

After decades of backpacking and car camping, I've used a huge assortment of stoves. Most have been solo other than the Coleman white gas, and no problem with supply there; I bought out the local Kmart at a big discount when they closed, so have 8 gallons on the shelf in the garage! :oops: My '70s era Peak One and MSR used it, too. I converted the Coleman to propane using a $12 kit, but it doesn't work great. Cheaper than buying a crap new Coleman propane, stove, though.

I've been all over on possible changes to my heat source before and since writing the above post. Actually, you can probably spin it off to an different thread to keep the Snow Peak thread cleaner. I was the one who commented on your new Kovea about looking like a cleaning nightmare. I can't find any info on cooking area on it, but it looks smallish. Too small for 4 eggs and 1/2 a pound of bacon, or several flapjacks. They make a deluxe double stove that looks interesting, but not available anywhere.

I know absolutely zero about the rattle-can shaped Butane canisters and stoves. Are they threaded, or held in place by the stove. Can a partially used canister be removed? How does the burn time compare to an equivalent isobutane canister? Can it use a propane converter like the isobutane stoves can use? I sorta like the idea of a couple Kovea Cubes that could be combined under a flat skillet. Better yet if they could be adapted to a "Y" propane hose and a 1# canister.

I've also looked again at Partner Stoves. 5 years ago, the 22" was $275, and it is double that now if you can find it. Apparently one of the partners died at the end or 2020. Looking now, there's only a couple of stoves on their website, and almost everyone online shows sold out on the 18" model, which would be closest to my Coleman. I haven't found any reviews of the Snow Peak Double Burner stove. Camp Chef seems to have garnered a mediocre quality report of late, so there's not much stuff out there to last a generation that I've found.

Tossing things around in my head, I've even considered using some 80/20 extrusion to duplicate the Snow Peak IGT style to mount on the legs of my ALMS Guide Table, allowing me to take advantage of the much more adjustability in the legs. But that still leaves be with the large bulky legs to store in the trailer. (4" X 6" X 32" folded and about 20#)

Can someone with an IGT take some measurements for me?

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Frankly, with Deb tied to campgrounds with toilets, I might as well leave the Skottle, Coleman stove, JetBoil, propane, white gas, isobutane, my cast iron skillet and pot home, and just take her 40 year old electric skillet and my cheap electric tea kettle, and save a ton of space and money.

Thanks for letting me ramble...

[EDIT] I started writing this yesterday, and just got back to it this morning. So you've answered some of my butane questions already.
 
Thank you very much for the input, @Dave !

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I know absolutely zero about the rattle-can shaped Butane canisters and stoves. Are they threaded, or held in place by the stove. Can a partially used canister be removed? How does the burn time compare to an equivalent isobutane canister? Can it use a propane converter like the isobutane stoves can use? I sorta like the idea of a couple Kovea Cubes that could be combined under a flat skillet. Better yet if they could be adapted to a "Y" propane hose and a 1# canister.

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So you've answered some of my butane questions already.

Butane fuel is worth discussing here in more detail as it works with Snow Peak stoves.

My Snow Peak Giga Torch came with an adapter that allows "MSR style" IsoButane cannisters OR the use of the less expensive Butane cannisters. Price is a BIG factor between the two fuel choices - pre-2020 Butane was about .99 per can, with the MSR cans (regular size) going for about $5. Prices have no doubt increased but overall Butane is significantly cheaper.

The Kovea stove uses a magnet to engage the cannister (pictured above), and they go on and off like magic. The Giga Torch adapter has a 1/4 turn action to engage it, also easy as pie. You can easily save partial cans for later.

Burn time is pretty good. On the GigaTorch, one can is several good fire starts so I'd say they're equal fuels all things considered.

The only exception might be at altitude or extreme cold and I can't speak to that with Butane, but the IsoButane is the only way to go in that environment. It's what we used in winter at the Marine Corps Mountain Warfare Training Center so I know it works where propane becomes less efficient/reliable.

Not sure about Butane use with a propane stove via a converter but it's likely possible.
 
Butane fuel is worth discussing here in more detail as it works with Snow Peak stoves.

Everyone is coming around!

I've been a fan of the Butane stoves for years. I started carrying one of those $10 Asian-grocery-store "Catering" burners (like they use at buffet omelette stations) just for the morning coffee, etc. and just kept doing more and more things with it. After upgrading to one with a hotter burner, it got to where I was cooking nearly every meal on mine. That said, I'm following your Kovea closely as the one thing I'm missing is a small grilling apparatus.
 
Okay, as mentioned a few weeks ago, I'm revising my cooking setup in my Hiker squaredrop trailer. I'm currently using (at various times) my 40+ year old Coleman 425 white gas stove, a Tembo Tusk Skottle with Kovea Scout burner, and my Jetboil, all on and around an ALPS Mountain Guide Table. Three fuels, the table is bulky and heavy, the Skottle is busy and heavy, and the Jet boil is used only to boil water. There's just two of us, so we don't need to cook for a family.

I've had the Snow Peak Kettle One for several years, but it and a Mini Flame were my only products. I'm changing that up. Last week a Baja Burner arrived, and sometime in the next week or so (why does FedEx take three days to cross one state???) a 4-unit IGT Standing and a regular bamboo extension table w/legs are due to arrive. No other inserts, because Menards has bamboo cutting boards a bit larger than 1 unit for $8, and four are waiting in the garage. They also had 14 Primus butane cartridges for $2.66, which are also in the garage. I have various adapters for propane, isobutane, and butane, so I'll use whatever is cheap and available. There's also a Kit-Kai windscreen and a Snow Peak garbage bag frame from eBay on their way. To give me more options, one of Jerry's Tembo Tusk Skottle insert arrived yesterday.

I still have one quandary, though. In the attached photo, you'll see a Coleman cast aluminum non-stick griddle upside down on the 425. We use it all the time for bacon and eggs, or eggs and pancakes. Plenty of room to cook several at a time. Nothing in the new set up does that. I can put a 10" or 12" skillet on the Baja Burner and do a few at a time. The Skottle does scrambled eggs, but sunny side up don't work. I'd thought of getting a second Baja burner and putting a Lodge griddle across both, or something like the Blackstone griddle.

Instead, I bought a Kovea 3-in-one large to grill, act as a second burner, and basically work like the Snow Peak Grill Burner but larger. And like the Grill Burner, it has a sloped surface, so I'd still have to use my Coleman griddle for eggs and pancakes. Now I'm having second thoughts. It's plenty big. Maybe too big with all of the components in a fitted bag. I haven't used it yet, and may send it back.

What do you guys do for a largish flat surface? Hell, I even thought of getting two of the little Kovea Cubes a $50 each to use...

Thanks for any input or thoughts on my approach.
Steve

Back when the Skottle was shiny and new. Hasn't looked that clean since. :)
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Check out those stove leveling devices!
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The Kovea should have the ability to place a flat griddle on it. Have you tried it?
 
The Kovea should have the ability to place a flat griddle on it. Have you tried it?

Agreed. I use a 10x16* griddle on my butane stove pretty frequently with just a little bit of overhang. You just have to be careful not to let the griddle overhang the cartridge area as too much heat into the cartridge can be unsafe.

In this photo I intentionally cheated all the overhang to one side to give me a slightly cooler zone to stash the sauteed onions after they were soft...
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*Technically this is a 9.5" x 16" griddle now since at one point I sawed a 1/2" off one of the long edges to get it to fit into the chuckbox I was using at the time... (The upside of a stamped carbon steel griddle - easy to modify!)
 
The Kovea should have the ability to place a flat griddle on it. Have you tried it?

Thanks, Dave. Yes, and it does, sorta.

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With the grate on, it sits 3/8" his on one end.

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With no grate, it sits a 1/4" low on the other end, but blocks all heat escaping. I haven't lit the stove yet (in case I decide to return it), but this doesn't seem ideal.

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Best option seems to be no grate but up on the feet, which is only about 1/8" low on one end. I can always use the spoons again for runny pancakes. ;)

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I'm assuming there's enough heat from the BBQ style burner for eggs and pancakes with that gap. I've only used it on the Coleman 2-burner. Bacon can be cooked in a skillet on the Baja Burner. Of course I can always replace the Coleman aluminum griddle with a steel or cast iron, like Herbie has. I need to wait until the IGT arrives and see how this all lays out for typical use. (FedEx says today, but it is still two states away according to the tracker.)

One nice feature with this is that the padded storage bag holds the Kovea 3-in-one, the Coleman griddle, and the Snow Peak Baja Burner, as long as I leave the Kovea's lidded casserole thingy at home.

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Thanks
 
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$8 Menard's 3/4" thick cutting boards cut down to 1-unit size, then rabbeted to bring them flush with the top of the frame. Much happier spending $32 and a couple hours in the shop than $200!

Yes, this is in my living room, because it was 97° and 80% humidity. I spent as little time as I could in the garage.

A second Baja Burner is on the way to use with my 10" X 19" griddle. I'm still not sure what I'm going to do with the Kovea 3-in-one. I'll likely keep it and just use it for the BBQ portion. It was $180 and will cost nearly half that to return it, so at this point it makes no sense to get the medium or small size instead.

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Just received a care package from Australia…
Drifta - snow peak large fire pit /grill bag..
The SP one served me well for a number of years but having 2 pockets and a closable top with some room to spare is excellent.
time to do some cleaning to my much used fire pit !
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What was the delivery time from Drifta? I placed an order on Monday and hoping it gets here for the GT trip. Noticed they ship using AusPost and not DHL. This is Jeff by the way.
 
Auspost, Jeff (I know :)) Ordered on the 19th July - delivered on the 8th August
Not fast but better than my Oz Braai knife order which is still in customs :)

you should be fine - Auspost tracking is pretty good as well.

Shipping cost was "reasonable" for where it is coming from I though in both cases.

oh and I am planning a pizza night on the GT as well... we shall see how that works out but my spun steel camp oven is coming. (not Snow Peak so I won't dilute this thread with it)
 
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This broke my heart.......saw a low single action table at the three letter word place and was going to buy it but then I saw the bottom right hand corner.

Have they always been made there?

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Last week I finally tried cinnamon rolls on the Skottle. Needed higher heat to brown them, but they all were good. Next is to smash and grill some. Also, shrimp, pineapple, onions, snow peas, and broccoli with home made teriyaki. Mmmm!

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