Scott
Adventurist
Dang, that guy was on it! Hahahaa. The coal rolling was dumb, but you gotta respect a dump truck that can haul that much booty.
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100acre
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Hey Itsky...
http://americanadventurist.com/Foru...RS-INTRODUCE-YOURSELF-HERE!&highlight=members
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Funny how the REI thread is listed under the Bonfire......hmmmmm...REI and bonfire,....hhhmmmmmm
Scott
Adventurist
Care to elaborate? Do you also enjoy motorized access to public lands?
Perhaps, like me, he believes there is a place for both types of wild places, and a pressing need for advocacy for both? You have a quote from John Muir as your signature; honestly, which way do you suppose he would lean if he were alive today? You're upset because REI does not advocate for more motorized access. I don't expect the Blue Ribbon Coalition, or Toyota for that matter, to advocate for more wilderness. Both approaches make sense for the respective associations, and both are needed if we aren't to lose it all.
The real threats to all kinds of outdoor recreation (from both radical ends of the political spectrum) go unnoticed while we bicker over things like this.
Voice of reason, spoiling all the fun. ;-)
100acre
Adventurist
I thought REI advocated against motorized access?
Is there a way to control both or either radical ends of the spectrum? Will any of it ever work out in our favor? Voting doesn't seem to work. Politicians typically line their pockets with back room deals that will always leave the rest of us out in the cold. How many of their promises go without fruition? What will it take to put them on the same level as the rest of society? I guess that's another thread for discussion in itself. I appreciate any store that advocates experiencing the outdoors but when it's all about the profit margin from a corporate standpoint from goods made overseas in India for mere pennies and sold here for hundreds of dollars and also from a company that doesn't advocate all aspects of experiencing nature like what we enjoy, I cannot feel justified supporting them financially.
Jonathan, please tell me of a solution that would honestly work in our favor and I will devote myself to gaining the summit. What is it that can we do to have our place in the sun on top of a mountain in a truck that will effectively help us to that end? Short of corporate bribes and political lobbying what can us little guys do?
Scott
Adventurist
Honestly, I think John Muir is rolling in his grave with what the sierra club has become. Now, this is just my opinion, and honestly I don't know how he would lean today, but from what I've read, he was an advocate of public lands access for ALL. Heck, I'm probably wrong, and I don't begrudge anyone shopping where they choose, since it's your money. That being said, I'll refuse to spend my money with them. Of course, I also refuse to support sierra Nevada brewery because they are also big supporters of the sierra club. I do agree that there SHOULD be a balance between preserving nature, and allowing vehicular access, but you and I both know that the sierra clubs mission is to shut down ALL access to wilderness via motorized vehicle, which is why I can't bring myself to support any company that donates to further the agenda of the sierra club.
How I wish I knew!
Scott
Adventurist
Yeah I wish it was possible too, but sadly, I think the only thing to do us talk with your money. Don't spend it at vendors that support shutting down lands to access.... I have this sticker on truck for a reason.
And same can be applied with everything else... Sadly.
Mojoe Outfitters
Adventurist
Here is the End-game: Only card carrying environmentalists with government grants, government "officials" and government cronies will be allowed on our back country roads. Sierra Club members doing environmental "studies" will have cart blanche to go wherever they want in their Suburbans and camp wherever they want. That's why they looked at Dave with such disdain - They know that soon, they will be able to camp at China Garden Springs without coming across any of the great unwashed. I believe that at some point in a generation or two, regular folks will be fined or jailed for stepping off the pavement or raised boardwalk "Nature Trail".
Cam
Cam
It's already happened/happening Cam. When areas of the Imperial Sand Dunes were closed...oddly, CBD (Center for Biological Diversity) were the only ones allowed access via vehicles. I know this because I stumbled across some moron from the CBD and his daughter as they had attempted to HIKE across the sand dunes, they didn't make it, QUITTERS!
I was in a Jeep rather than a sand vehicle, he thought I was someone "official" when he first saw me.
Jonathan, I've got no problem sharing the land with other forms of recreation. I WILL NOT SUPPORT nor will I even pretend to tolerate those that only seem to have one answer CLOSURE. Show me just ONE example where the Sierra Club had a vehicle access plan in ANY of their propaganda.
Funny story, I somehow ended up on the Sierra Club's mailing list a few years back. I got an envelope full of slick, glossy papers/pictures (none on recycled paper that I could tell). Fortunately for me, they provided a return envelope for my donation. It took some work but I managed to donate all of their propaganda back to their recycle bins via that envelope. Apparently they got the message, not another solicitation.
I was in a Jeep rather than a sand vehicle, he thought I was someone "official" when he first saw me.Jonathan, I've got no problem sharing the land with other forms of recreation. I WILL NOT SUPPORT nor will I even pretend to tolerate those that only seem to have one answer CLOSURE. Show me just ONE example where the Sierra Club had a vehicle access plan in ANY of their propaganda.
Funny story, I somehow ended up on the Sierra Club's mailing list a few years back. I got an envelope full of slick, glossy papers/pictures (none on recycled paper that I could tell). Fortunately for me, they provided a return envelope for my donation. It took some work but I managed to donate all of their propaganda back to their recycle bins via that envelope. Apparently they got the message, not another solicitation.
Show me just ONE example where the Blue Ribbon Coalition included a wilderness plan in ANY of its propaganda. Ibid. Already covered.
Show me a wilderness area that is closed to access. What you mean is that you (and I) are prevented from sitting on our asses and driving there. It's not CLOSED.
There's something that is all too rarely mentioned in these discussions. Wilderness designation is intended to put the well-being of the habitat and wildlife ahead of our own recreational convenience. I think that speaks highly of us as a civilization. Don't you? Or do you disagree that that is a worthy endeavor? The U.S. has led the world in wildlife and habitat protection since at least the days of Teddy Roosevelt. Furthermore, numerous studies have show the benefit of wilderness areas to surrounding non-wilderness (i.e. where you can drive) in terms of higher wildlife densities. I know because I've participated in several of them.
All this land that's 'locked up' as wilderness by the radical environmentalists? It's about 2.7 percent of the lower 48 states' land area. Five percent if you count Alaska. As I said, you and I are losing a lot more land where we can drive to other causes while we argue about REI.
There was a time when I was active in local land use issues. I finally just gave up, I found that the off highway community can't even get along with each other, we all have our own specific interests to protect, too much bickering among ourselves to ever get anything done to protect those interests as a group that would possibly be heard.
I've seen that as well, also among conservation groups. Ego is a destructive thing, and doubly stupid when you're supposed to be working toward a common goal.