Excellent points Andy!
The how NOT to rig things thread!
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Excellent points Andy!
How about this example?
Spectators down hill from a vehicle during recovery with a line under load... line dragging on the rocks... and best of all, the fairlead area is not well thought out as you can see the edge of the license plate contacting the line.
It's easy to second guess what went on there, but two out of three of these risk factors could have been eliminated before winching began
Spectators down hill from a vehicle during recovery with a line under load... line dragging on the rocks... and best of all, the fairlead area is not well thought out as you can see the edge of the license plate contacting the line.
It's easy to second guess what went on there, but two out of three of these risk factors could have been eliminated before winching began
Sure does. And that's great BUT I assure you that heat is building up there as the synthetic line slides through that with weight bearing down on it.
Heat is being generated in 3 areas in this photo - hawse, license plate rub, and chafing on the rocks. Besides abrasion or lacerations, heat is the next worse thing for the life of your line
I'm not a fan of the "hitch mount" system for any winch. Unless you are making an almost straight pull you stand a decent chance of bending either the receiver or the winch mount, not to mention when I need my winch, I usually need it RIGHT NOW... not 10 minutes from now after removing 100+ pounds of winch and mount and trying to plug it into a receiver.
I'm totally stealing that "Poison Spyder" photo. The hook, the wrongly spooled line, and the way-too-sharply-chamfered edge on that hawse fairlead. Lots of lessons in one photo.
Optimistic Paranoid
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Plus, A class 3 receiver - the most common kind, I'm sure - is only rated to tow 8,000 lbs. A lot of modern winches handily exceed that.
Yes. And all receivers are rated for straight trailer pulls. Not hard side pulls etc. I’m not a fan of these mounts at all.
Twin Magnolias
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Watch things go sideways (literally) beginning at the 7:00 mark, and the recovery beginning at the 10:00 mark.
Twin Magnolias
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Yeah. There's a lot going on in that video.
Without taking this thread too far down a rabbit hole, suffice it to say that there are LEGIONS of new people in this segment with shiny toys and all the gear and none of the know how or experience that many of us take for granted.
I could have a lot of fun commenting on YouTube or other social media at other peoples expense. But, I have a life and there’s plenty of trolls filling those comment boxes already.
It’s up to us to teach and lead by example. And welcome these new people in
I could have a lot of fun commenting on YouTube or other social media at other peoples expense. But, I have a life and there’s plenty of trolls filling those comment boxes already.
It’s up to us to teach and lead by example. And welcome these new people in
Gallowbraid
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Without taking this thread too far down a rabbit hole, suffice it to say that there are LEGIONS of new people in this segment with shiny toys and all the gear and none of the know how or experience that many of us take for granted.
I could have a lot of fun commenting on YouTube or other social media at other peoples expense. But, I have a life and there’s plenty of trolls filling those comment boxes already.
It’s up to us to teach and lead by example. And welcome these new people in
So using that mindset, and taking the example that @Twin Magnolias posted what would have been better options in that situation? Obviously an internet video is different than being there, but that video provides pretty good coverage and angles to see what's happening. I'm looking to learn a thing or two as I'm inexperienced with recovery situations outside of pulling folks out of snow banks in Vermont.
In my mind his first mistake was not fully committing to the obstacle. Whether he was indeed close to a roll over angle or not he certainly wouldn't have been if he'd put all 4 wheels in the hole.
java230
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Ok, I have zero 'training' and watched the video on mute.....
They should have set up the straight pull in the first place, what was the point of pulling at an angle? Adds more stress, pulling at that angle would induce more roll over factor from my eyes. Pulling the Truck up over the bank is not going to help anything.
The intermediate strap should not have been there, Winch line all the way to the anchor point on the truck. No need for the extra hardware in the middle of a pull.
That's my quick look at it.
They should have set up the straight pull in the first place, what was the point of pulling at an angle? Adds more stress, pulling at that angle would induce more roll over factor from my eyes. Pulling the Truck up over the bank is not going to help anything.
The intermediate strap should not have been there, Winch line all the way to the anchor point on the truck. No need for the extra hardware in the middle of a pull.
That's my quick look at it.
mep1811
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Using a ball hitch as a recovery point ? WTF
Twin Magnolias
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Not trying to troll the guy. I took the thread to be a collection of bad rigging.
With the initial winch angle they attempt at the 10:00 mark, they're pulling against mud. Eventually, they figure things out and pull straight back. However, even that was problematic as @mep1811 points out.
This video is a worst case scenario of a lateral or angled pull against tires stuck in mud.
Mud is deceiving because it moves so easily, so it is understandable that these people would think a lateral/angled pull against the mud would cause it to be pushed out of the way. Maybe if they put a little dirty work into digging out the wheels, they would have had a better chance at that recovery. Even still, I don't think I like that angle. Physics doesn't work that way, because there's too much surface area of the tire sidewall and wheel pressing against the mud vs. the surface area of the tread being pulled back through its tracks.
With the initial winch angle they attempt at the 10:00 mark, they're pulling against mud. Eventually, they figure things out and pull straight back. However, even that was problematic as @mep1811 points out.
This video is a worst case scenario of a lateral or angled pull against tires stuck in mud.
Mud is deceiving because it moves so easily, so it is understandable that these people would think a lateral/angled pull against the mud would cause it to be pushed out of the way. Maybe if they put a little dirty work into digging out the wheels, they would have had a better chance at that recovery. Even still, I don't think I like that angle. Physics doesn't work that way, because there's too much surface area of the tire sidewall and wheel pressing against the mud vs. the surface area of the tread being pulled back through its tracks.