Making American Adventurist Better: An Ongoing Discussion

^^Wait.... did a mod just moderate a mod? (That is meant to be humorous, since we just discussed the moderators and editing and deleting and how that doesn't happen here. Please take that as such)

Ok....now I'd like to start over....
I enjoy this forum, there's a lot of great stuff on here. I tossed out a few of my own feeling/comments and the small ball of snow became an avalanche. That was not my intention. It was not meant to be a "you're wrong and I'm right". Ripping the mods, the ideas, the site or anyone personally is never my intention. It's just not who I am. When I'm asked my opinion, I give it. Possibly to a fault. I also won't blindly cheer on with the masses to appeal to some one or some thing. I get the distinct impression that this group is the same way and that's one of the things I was immediately drawn to.

We're all adults. There are no hurt feelings or egos here. I fully understand that this forum is a labor of love and hard work. It doesn't run itself, and it's only free to those of us who have no affiliation other than being members. I'm guessing that at some point you'd like it to be a money maker through advertising. Even the largest pile of money gets smaller if you're only taking from it and not giving to it. Someone here is spending money on providing this service, but the goal is certainly to have this forum pay for itself and maybe put a little extra coin back in your pocket, you know....for the effort. #billmurray

The way to increase advertising is by showing the advertisers the number of people they can reach by buying ad space here. That requires members like me and anyone else who is just a lurker, poster or finds the site through happenstance. It's also a way to build a community and host events where you can truly give back. Believe me, I get it. I'm not here to give my resume of trails or events, but I respect that aspect of it immensely. PM me for the details of how/where I give back to our community, our trails, our rivers, and our efforts as outdoor recreationists.

All that to say, I had a hard time finding a fit here. It felt to me that everyone knew everyone and all the posts were inside jokes. It was hard to find an opening to jump in. Like a double-dutch game with two people already doing the jumping. With that being said, I'm a member of other forums where I've been for a while, have friends and I'm often sought out through PM for help or assistance or advice. For that reason, being a newbie here was a change. New people, new knowledge.

My remarks, comments and feelings about the subjects in this thread are my own. They do not represent OutdoorX4 Magazine. I'm an Air Traffic Controller at Denver International Airport first and a staff member at the magazine second. If OutdoorX4 wants to give me a massive pay raise, we can talk....but I don't see that kind of growth. Regardless, I'm a staff member of a growing publication. A GREAT publication. Did the comments about the latest issue sting a little? Sure they did, but my remarks here were not "return fire", they were my own feelings. My involvement at OX4 is not paying my mortgage. It's born out of my love of writing, photography and the outdoors. I never want to do anything that reflects poorly on OutdoorX4, but more importantly, I never want to be accused of being overly critical or too harsh or accused of intentionally hurting someone or something. I felt Dave's comments about me poorly representing OX4 were unfounded. I PM'd him to see how I could make it right. I went back and re-read everything I've posted on here... all 50 of them. I cannot find anything that makes me think I was disrespectful or overly critical of this forum or anyone associated with it. Mitch and I don't have to agree on what's been posted here. That doesn't mean we can't clink bottles together at the next event and share laughs around a campfire. Like I said, no egos and no hurt feelings here.

No one wants to be "That Guy". Every forum has one and I won't allow it to be me. :) I've been pulled into this community so I will continue to lurk, post and comment. If we disagree on a subject in the future, so be it, we'll work through that one too. If I need a hand with a trail repair at an event, I would expect someone here to jump in, just as I would for you. You can pretty much take an entire 100 Series Land Cruiser apart with a 12, 14, 15 and 19mm. Plus a 54mm hub nut socket. If you guys could have that stuff handy, it'd be great.

Not much else to say..... those are my cards on the table.

I didnt know anyone here at all when I joined. I came over from the portal ( lette ) site. I begged Dave to help me log in because I'm not very computer savvy and was having difficulties logging in. I never even met anyone until the west expo where I made a number of friends and a few more at the east expo. I am a bit of a social sore thumb and for a while was very adamant about certain things I didn't agree with about what the world was doing. I was given a bit of a hard time for it too. I learned to keep me mouth shut and listen for a while. I've grown and changed more for the better because of it. I may not exactly "fit in" and that's okay because I like being different and having a good time being silly. I now feel like I'm part of the team here and in my own odd way I do fit in. No matter what, I'd be happy to be your friend and offer you support and you don't even have to pay me. Dan:gnome
 
The magical powers of my adventure hat allow me to walk up to a campfire surrounded by people I dont know and walk away with new friends.

:advhat

... or it could just be that this community rocks! :)
 
The magical powers of my adventure hat allow me to walk up to a campfire surrounded by people I dont know and walk away with new friends.

:advhat

... or it could just be that this community rocks! :)
I'll bet you make many more friends with a hat like this; or maybe a few enemies...
 

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Only downside to trying to use real names for screen names is that it starts to get confusing when you end up with many common names being registered. Sure you can have different names like Mike, Mike S, Mike P, Mike V, etc., etc. Then what happens when you end up with two people who have the same first name and last initial? That's when you start to have problems. If it wasn't for the fact that Dave "assigned" my name, I would likely have a different username.

It's a good idea but hard to implement, especially as the community grows.

Thank god there isn't any other Apryl's.
 
I'm thinking that the screen names create an extra level of separation between the folks, making the forum more impersonal than it should be.

Cam

I don't disagree with anything your saying but would like to caution everyone about the use of PII data on the internet especially on a forum where a majority of the data is open to anyone who simply registers. We're posting our names, locations, pictures of our vehicles, ourselves and in some cases our children so with a little research its not hard to find out where we live. Then when we post "Hey I'm going to be in the middle of nowhere out of reach for the next X amount of days" we are also telling bad people "Hey no one is going to be home for the next couple of days and I have all kinds of guns and cool gear waiting for you to grab". Am I being overcautious; probably but its definitely something to think about and it does happen; remember the Olympic bombing in Atlanta? They put on the news that one of the victims, by name and location, was recovering in the hospital surrounded by their family and thieves went and robbed their house.

As far as a forum I would like to see certain sections, like the Downtown section, view able by invite only where somebody has to actually know you. I know, it probably already exists only I haven't been invited so quit laughing at me; I'm starting to feel like Charlie Brown on Halloween "I got a Rock"

That being said the is a downside to having private sections in that those members tend to start only posting in those areas and then the open sections start suffering and dwindling in participation which can cause a forum to fail so I do understand there is good and bad to both; just a thought.
 
@Joker-- I don't disagree with anything your saying but would like to caution everyone about the use of PII data on the internet especially on a forum where a majority of the data is open to anyone who simply registers. We're posting our names, locations, pictures of our vehicles, ourselves and in some cases our children so with a little research its not hard to find out where we live. Then when we post "Hey I'm going to be in the middle of nowhere out of reach for the next X amount of days" we are also telling bad people "Hey no one is going to be home for the next couple of days and I have all kinds of guns and cool gear waiting for you to grab". Am I being overcautious; probably but its definitely something to think about and it does happen; remember the Olympic bombing in Atlanta? They put on the news that one of the victims, by name and location, was recovering in the hospital surrounded by their family and thieves went and robbed their house.

I just moved back to the land of Christopher Robin with Whinnie the Pooh and Tigger too!
 
Interesting thread to read and its existence speaks well of the organization that's behind it all. Kudos.

In the interest of belonging and sharing, I am taking this opportunity to formally notify Tango (Tim) that I am stealing the term "not the brightest bulbs in the internet chandelier." for my own personal use. Because I'm basically a standup guy, I won't always claim it as my own original thought and will try to remember from whom I stole it and occasionally give credit where it is due.

I've not made it to any AAV events, for no particular reason but generally because scheduling and interest didn't coincide. That's not intended as a negative to the organizers or other attendees, it's just the way its worked out. But I have attended some other organized events put on by organizations and even a couple headed up by me.

The thoughts on "you can't please everyone" are valid. Keep them in mind. As far as feeling included or not, I've often found at events that a second visit is in order, especially if you otherwise enjoyed the event. Its also a little awkward to say "I'm not outgoing, glad-handing kind of person" after you've traveled many miles to meet a bunch of strangers in the middle of nowhere. One of my dearest buds was met in GWNF when he and we came upon a locked gate and I knew an open way to the good wheeling. My mom and sister were with me and Mom was certain I'd just picked up an axe murderer (he's now on the SWAT team with a town in NC and you'd be hard-pressed to find better people).

Getting involved in the event instead of just watching helps.

Mrs and I (or just I) post on a blog about some of our travels. We traveled cross-country all the way to Alaska and back this year. It's linked in my sig. For us it was an adventure but we drove from hotel to motel to cabin to some little town out in the sticks that had nowhere to eat but sold jewelry, antique junk and had internet but no cell service. I've shared that trip elsewhere and haven't here 'cause I am not particularly interested in duplicating content that you can easily find yourself.

Y'all are doing good here. Keep it up.
 
I have been sponsoring on forums for the last 10 years. This forum is the only forum I have ever felt part of a "family". I don't have any complaints or suggestions yet but I do want to thank Dave, the staff and the members I have met for making myself and my family welcomed.
 
I have been sponsoring on forums for the last 10 years. This forum is the only forum I have ever felt part of a "family". I don't have any complaints or suggestions yet but I do want to thank Dave, the staff and the members I have met for making myself and my family welcomed.

:like
 
I have no idea what Haggis' real name is. Maybe that's the point: to make you seem scarier and it works

His name is Sue, but be careful, he is sensitive about it. His father named him that, then skipped town. They met up later in life in a bar and the results were infamous. Second thought... You should call him Haggis.
 
His name is Sue, but be careful, he is sensitive about it. His father named him that, then skipped town. They met up later in life in a bar and the results were infamous. Second thought... You should call him Haggis.

:guitar
 
Dave, I don't see anything negative about Stan's comments above and I don't see anything negative with any of the responses from moderators here at AAV. Keep in mind that constructive dialogue helps the entire community grow and develop. That same constructive dialogue has helped us at OutdoorX4 and hopefully will continue to do so here at AAV.

Keep up the good work in building the community here. We'll continue to do all we can to support that effort, and looking very forward to seeing many of you at DRV in March.
 
His name is Sue, but be careful, he is sensitive about it. His father named him that, then skipped town. They met up later in life in a bar and the results were infamous. Second thought... You should call him Haggis.

I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die....
 
Camadile said:
I have no idea what Haggis' real name is. Maybe that's the point: to make you seem scarier and it works

Haggis has been my internet handle for a while now and whence we started this joint it was just easier to keep the tag so as to not confuse folks who I was. My name is Mark by the way. And as far as seeming scary, I don't know why anybody would feel that way. I'm a lovable and some say quite charming ridgerunning rogue...people flock to my radiant presence and witty country boy charms. The crew I run with over here will tell ya the same...if they know whats good for 'em. :dirtyharry
 
Haggis has been my internet handle for a while now and whence we started this joint it was just easier to keep the tag so as to not confuse folks who I was. My name is Mark by the way. And as far as seeming scary, I don't know why anybody would feel that way. I'm a lovable and some say quite charming ridgerunning rogue...people flock to my radiant presence and witty country boy charms. The crew I run with over here will tell ya the same...if they know whats good for 'em. :dirtyharry




Getting pretty deep in here . . . . .



:canoe
 
Here's an idea..

Over on another site they had a fun thread focused on brief interviews of members and staff. One member would be chosen, than he'd pick another and so on and so forth. It was one of my favorites there but died a slow death as folks failed to keep passing it forward. Something like that might be nice here. Start out with introducing the staff here and than pick a member to begin the introductions. But in this thread I think a mod should take the lead, picking both long term members and brand new ones in an equal mix so no one feels passed over. Maybe it could be based on who posts the most interesting thread or post through out the week. Its a simple as starting a thread in the Bonfire section and letting it roll.
 
Here's an idea..

Over on another site they had a fun thread focused on brief interviews of members and staff. One member would be chosen, than he'd pick another and so on and so forth. It was one of my favorites there but died a slow death as folks failed to keep passing it forward. Something like that might be nice here. Start out with introducing the staff here and than pick a member to begin the introductions. But in this thread I think a mod should take the lead, picking both long term members and brand new ones in an equal mix so no one feels passed over. Maybe it could be based on who posts the most interesting thread or post through out the week. Its a simple as starting a thread in the Bonfire section and letting it roll.

Sounds like a great Idea. I nominate you, Haggis, to interview the founder of AAV Dave
 
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