FUEL CANS?

I am hoping the old style cans and nozzles (The ones that actually worked) will become legal again with this new administration in Washington. Trying to look at the bright side.
 
Ive been using the steel USMC Blitz jerry cans for about 5plus years, but I always hater the steel pour spout. I eventually found a newish designed pour spot by EZ pour made it a little easier to pour, then I discovered the Super siphon transfer tube which is even better. I usually but the metal cans for cheap and sell them on craigslist for $20-30.
 
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xjintx said:
Hey guys... I'm headed to CA for a 3 week trip. The guy heading up the trip through Death Valley wants us to have 10 gal spare fuel. I only have a 5 gal Diesel can. I could buy another but would not use again. If a friend has an older Jerry can I can borrow it probably won't be CARB compliant. Is the CA law you can't sell non-carb compliant or that you can't use them... are they maybe "grandfathered"?
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I know this is a delayed response but I just don't check the sites as often as I should. If I can offer some advice here what needs to be done is the cans need to be labeled "Gasoline" and painted red. There is no requirement to have the carb compliant nozzles with them or even compatible. Where things get sticky is the transference of the fuel. Before all of that please for the Lord's sake tell me the trip leader isn't CHUSA? We all know the CARB nozzles spill more than the non-carb ever did or will but the enviro Nazis say its the fumes, tisk tisk tisk. I digress, you have 4th Amendment waiver issues here so if asked about the contents it is up to as what your response is. I always side on being polite because being rude or threatening gets you confrontation and we all know how that ends. With this stuff remember the bamboo being flexible in the wind idea...

Use your fuel cans to transport that fuel but when you transfer it into your vehicle be well aware of your surroundings and the audience around you and the area you plan to visit. If you have a bunch of rock buggies around you will likely see them doing the same. If you have a line of Priuses driven by well you get the idea expect to be on face time or whatever the latest and greatest social"ist" media outlet is posting you as the new satans direct descendant of hitler.
 
Celt II said:
If I can offer some advice here what needs to be done is the cans need to be labeled "Gasoline" and painted red. There is no requirement to have the carb compliant nozzles with them or even compatible.
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Those are two separate issues. The first is that the container needs to be DOT compliant to transport fuel. What's sad is many of these new plastic fluid containers are not DOT compliant. If you read carefully (without naming offenders by name) all they say on them are "fluid container" with no mention of fuel. If you read the fine print they say "not designed or intended for the transport of combustable fluids on road." In other words, if the county mounties catch you with a non-DOT container full of fluid you're screwed. Not to mention some of these new plastic containers are so cheaply made they leak at the first twist or rub. That's why I prefer steal. It can be dented without leaking and is a DOT compliant container.

As for CARB nozzles, I have yet to ever hear of something getting fined for not using one. I have the old metal flex necks for my blitz cans. My fuel can at home is a steel Safety Can (which I believe is DOT compliant and has a non-carb pour nozzle on it) but all I ever use it for is the mower and blower. For fuel transfers I highly recommend a siphon... a hard lesson learned after taking a gasoline shower last year in the middle of Utah.
 
Dean said:
Those are two separate issues. The first is that the container needs to be DOT compliant to transport fuel. What's sad is many of these new plastic fluid containers are not DOT compliant. If you read carefully (without naming offenders by name) all they say on them are "fluid container" with no mention of fuel. If you read the fine print they say "not designed or intended for the transport of combustable fluids on road." In other words, if the county mounties catch you with a non-DOT container full of fluid you're screwed. Not to mention some of these new plastic containers are so cheaply made they leak at the first twist or rub. That's why I prefer steal. It can be dented without leaking and is a DOT compliant container.

As for CARB nozzles, I have yet to ever hear of something getting fined for not using one. I have the old metal flex necks for my blitz cans. My fuel can at home is a steel Safety Can (which I believe is DOT compliant and has a non-carb pour nozzle on it) but all I ever use it for is the mower and blower. For fuel transfers I highly recommend a siphon... a hard lesson learned after taking a gasoline shower last year in the middle of Utah.
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I understand about what you are saying as to the DOT containers. I was referencing the steel Jerry can styles in my post vs. the plastic ones. The state mandates anything that's being sold as a fuel can has to be CARB and DOT, at least here. Out here especially in the state parks like Anza Borrego if the rangers catch you refueling without a CARB nozzle you are facing a very hefty fine so you need to be careful where you are doing this. Not sure about where you are at but if you can get by with it that's sure a relief because the metal donkey d**k's just work better and generally don't spill anything. Those silly CARB nozzles just leak and break and are generally a big mess to deal with. The only reason I was chiming in about this was someone was coming from out of state into Ca and was asking. All these silly laws can really get a guy into a pickle sometimes and that just stinks.
 
I'll second the "super siphon" for fuel transfer regardless of can design, they work great.

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http://supersiphon.com/
 
Celt II said:
If I can offer some advice here what needs to be done is the cans need to be labeled "Gasoline" and painted red.
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Not to be one of "those" people, but can you provide a pointer to any laws or regulations that require that?

I ask because years ago I saw a Jeep with two green military cans on the back. They were neatly stenciled with white paint. One read "SCOTCH" and the other read "SODA". This amuses me so much that I was planning on doing something similar.
 
Optimistic Paranoid said:
Not to be one of "those" people, but can you provide a pointer to any laws or regulations that require that?

I ask because years ago I saw a Jeep with two green military cans on the back. They were neatly stenciled with white paint. One read "SCOTCH" and the other read "SODA". This amuses me so much that I was planning on doing something similar.
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Andy put the CARB link down (Thank you Andy), sorry been a couple days since I logged on I think so I didn't respond earlier. In the end, here is the deal on those fuel cans for what it's worth. I was quoting on what the law says. In my initial post, I also stated there are 4th amendment issues with this. If you have green cans, which I do they can contain anything. If asked about the contents it is in my opinion always smart to be polite but you do not have to say what's in them. Remember you need not make any statements that may incriminate yourself at any time nor be compelled to do so. It is very easy to say green for water is what my club requires so everyone is on the same page if you really feel the need to say something. Absent of a search incident to arrest or a search warrant with what you might have a whole lot more issues on hand opening a can to check the contents of the can is not possible. Game Wardens can search without either but it's for reasonable suspicion of poaching, I've yet to see how anything poached can get into a gas can so even if it's done it would be thrown out on a P.C. 1538 very easily, I digress. There is nothing wrong with politely saying you do not wish to open the can or answer questions. Now this is at the bad end of the spectrum.

On the other end, there is nothing against the transportation of fuel and it's being done so legally if in a red approved container i.e. Jerry Can labelled "gasoline." Read, I said transportation only there. Where you can get cited is the transfer of that fuel and I'm only speaking for California here. Gas can to fuel tank which needs to be a CARB approved delivery device. As I said before know your target audience and surroundings and you should be just fine. In reality the only trouble I have ever had were from the non-law enforcement rangers who in my opinion can get a little over zealous at times but have no actual citing or powers of arrest. The sworn rangers tend to be a little more reserved and a little cooperation or at the very least politeness will go a very long way.

By the way, I also think the Scotch and Soda idea is hysterical and you have given me some really great ideas......
 
I second what Celt 11 said about Forest Service employees. Having worked with the F.S. for years I will tell you that they are not rangers, just employees. Every National Forest has one Ranger and he sits behind a desk. The folks in uniform can site you for parking violations and that's about it. There are LEO employees however who are sworn and can enforce the laws. Normally 1 to a forest, they are armed, plated and badge carrying. The employees can call the badge but have no right to detain or enforce anything other than parking. That being said, I would be surprised if anyone here would intentionally spill anything, fuel, water, alcohol.
 
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