Camping and Traveling with Babies/ Kids

Blkwgn_wyfee

Adventurist
Hi Guys!

We are getting ready to start looking at gear for babies and kids, and we were wondering if anyone has any advice on what to get or not to get for trips? We generally camp for a few days at a time, but have done extended trips in the past as well, and would like to continue to do so after the baby comes.

Does any one have a product that you found you could not live without? Or maybe something you felt you wasted money on?

Also, does any one know of a good car seat that is qualified for off-roading? Does something like that exist?

Any advice is very appreciated!
Thanks!
 
Carseat: You arent going to find a seat that is built for off roading, so unfortunately you are going to have to tone it down for a while. There are several "buckets" available. By "bucket" I mean a rear facing infant seat where you leave them strapped in and it attaches to the base. This allows you to move the baby around without waking them up (keep in mind that they need to sleep 18-20 hours per day when they are brand new). This can also attach to a stroller base. They are expensive, but its something that we didnt spring for with either kid that we wish we had, in retrospect.

Pack and play: Dont get one with bells and whistles. Get one or two basic ones, and keep it with you as part of your basic baby kit. In fact, if we had known then what we know now, we would never have bought a crib, just pack and plays. When camping, we use a sturdy comforter (that doubles for tummy time) and throw it over the whole pack and play so the baby can stay warm and still play in a safe, confined area (of course supplemented by a warm footy sleeper).

Rocker: For our second critter, we got a powered rocker. Wonderful for when they are tiny, because you can use an extra blanket to prop up the bottle, then turn the rocker on for a half hour interval after the baby finishes the bottle (my wife wasnt able to breast feed, not sure what your plans are). If you get clued into the noises that your baby makes, you can accomplish a "dream feed," where the baby never really wakes up.

Bouncer: When your critter is a little older (5 months or so), you can invest in a bouncer. They typically have little toys and stuff for the baby to chew on (keep in mind that from age 4 months to about 18 months, babies like to put EVERYTHING in their mouths). Hours of entertainment for the baby and you, and it helps them to strengthen up their legs, since they will be walking a few short months after that.

Baby wearing: babies like to be held, and its good for them. In addition to lots of skin to skin time when they are small, you may want to get them used to being carried. We chose the ergo baby carrier since its safe, versatile, and pretty much the modern version of the papoose, which has been used for thousands of years for many millions of babies. When they are older (over 6 months), you can graduate them to a backpack.

Pacifier: Wubbanub. Worth it. Best thing we ever bought for our first critter, since you can start them on the pacifier, then eventually poke a hole in it for them to chew on, then cut off the pacifier completely and they still have the little stuffed animal to snuggle. We had one at daycare and one at home for both kids, although my son seems to be more interested in his thumb than the pacifier most of the time.

Boppy: You will probably be spending a lot of time holding your baby when they are tiny, and this makes that activity much more comfortable for you than using a regular pillow. The cover is washable.

Books: The "What to Expect" books served us well for educational reading. My daughter loved "All My Friends Are Dead." Its a strange children's book, but you get chuckles along the way. I think I can recite most of the Dr. Seuss books by memory, along with Pout Pout Fish. The most important thing here is to read to them while keeping their attention. Its a great bonding activity and helps them with language development, cadence, vocabulary, etc.

Pics added. Please dont judge. We are in the middle of a flooring redo at present.
Rocker:
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Papoose:
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Bouncer (note wooden blocks down below because he is still so little):
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Boppy:
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Now on to the trips. Your trips will change when one or more tiny humans are involved. Babies need a lot of gear, toddlers need a lot of time, and think of a kids experience while camping as life through a macro lens. They just dont appreciate those sweeping vistas yet, but give them some dirt and a few sticks to play with, and they are quite content to get impressively dirty in no time!

There is a window that you should take advantage of before the baby is truly mobile. At 4-5 months, the baby will probably know how to roll over and will soon discover that if they keep rolling, they can get to new and interesting things to taste. At 8-9 months they will be scooting, crawling, or in the case of our first critter, walking. At that point, all bets are off and it becomes very difficult to take trips while keeping them safe (keep in mind that climbing starts to happen around the same time). So you can take some shorter trips (in our case we limited them to 4 days or less) in this 4-9 month old window, and moved slowly. We usually ended up covering about half of our normal distance, about a quarter of what I cover solo. Ever chuckle at people for base camping? Ever chuckle at people for bringing the house to the campsite? Once you take a trip with small kiddos, you probably wont laugh at either again, at least for a while.

EDIT: I forgot to add the age range that was pretty much a no fly zone for us (we will see with critter #2 in a few months). 9-18 months is the better part of a year where it is a full time job just keeping them from killing themselves. They are very mobile, and at this point have absolutely zero common sense. Outdoor trips were so exhausting that we mostly stuck to day trips or fly in-hotel-fly out trips. This also came at a very busy time in both of our careers, so we didn't have as much extra energy to expend on fun as we normally do. YMMV.

At about 18 months they are getting past putting everything in their mouths, but still too young to listen and be reasoned with about dangers. This age is tough as well. Short trips only, in safe surroundings is my recommendation. Its tough, because by this time you are going to be getting a bit stir crazy. My advice here is to lean on family or friends to watch the critter while you take some quick getaways solo or just Mom and Dad. Dont worry, this too shall pass. And dont be too shy to ask. You will feel bad about it, especially with a toddler, but trust me. A) Parents who have been there get it. B) Your kiddo is going to be better behaved for family / friends than they are for you. It just works that way. I dont know why.

3.5-4 years old. Ok, so now they should be getting past most of the irrational toddler stuff, although you still might see it come out from time to time. They are old enough to listen and remember to watch out for dangerous objects and wildlife. This is when you need to make a push to get them out camping with you even though its still a logistical challenge. Same rule applies with any camping trip. If they eat well and sleep well, they will have a good time, and them having a good time is more important than you having a good time at this age. You are planting the seed of the life long love of the outdoors, and while challenging, its really fun to watch.

This is as far as I've gotten, and my advice is worth what you paid for it. You guys are going to make excellent parents. Keep at it, and with a little luck and a lot of patience, you will have that family full of adventurists that you seek! :)
 
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Some great advice there from Mr. Leary!

I've got an 8 month old, we started camping with him when he was 5 months old though we really could have gone earlier. Really babies just want to be wherever you are, and if you keep them fed, warm and safe they'll be fine.

I think the issue with off-roading isn't related to the car seat, but that their neck isn't strong enough to handle that sort of bouncing around until they're a few years old. If its just a short jaunt in to a campsite you can always hike in with them in a carrier, not usually that much slower than off-road in a normal truck.

I planned our first camping trip to just be an easy overnighter at one of the local state parks (Leo Carillo in Malibu). It worked out great, planning another one (north of Santa Barbara this time) for early February but for a few days this time, and after that we have a few more long-distance trips planned. Traveling with a baby is different, you just need to plan to stop more often, and be flexible instead of planning to make XXX road miles per day.

Before our son was crawling we found a beach shelter to be pretty useful to have a clean(ish) place out of the sun for him to play, but that sorta goes out the window when they're mobile. We use a Kidco Peapod as a portable crib, i got it on recommendation off ExPo and it works out well. In our Four Wheel Camper my wife and the baby sleep on the cabover bed and I sleep down on the couch. The FWC is nice to have in terms of having a clean dry place to nurse, change him, put him down for a nap, etc, but you could definitely do the same in a normal tent.

No matter what, congrats on the new addition to the family and for wanting to get out there! I'm sure most of us are the same, but some of my fondest memories of childhood are camping trips with my parents and grandparents, and I'm stoked to continue the tradition.

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Helpful things that I have been told / discovered:

1) If your baby is really fussy and wont sleep, put the baby in the bucket and strap the bucket to the top of the dryer, then turn on the cycle. Not even kidding. It works. That or a car ride.

2) Laundry hampers work really well for toting the baby around the house with you while doing chores. Ive also been told that pulling out a drawer works well.

3) I dont know / remember if you are having a boy or girl, but if its a boy, get a peepee teepee. The urge to go seems heightened during changing time. Dunno?!?
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4) Holding a baby like a running back holds a football works surprisingly well and naturally safe for the baby if performed by someone who survived high school football. Dont freak out. He will manage to protect that baby even if tackled by a linebacker.

5) Lack of sleep turns into a marathon. Take turns. Nap when the baby naps. Give each other breaks. This is your first rodeo, so its actually easier this time around. Once you have a baby and a toddler the only way you can accomplish this is by switching from man-to-man defense to zone (to use a basketball analogy).

6) Just say no to really crappy kid tv shows. There are plenty of good ones and its just one tantrum. Dont trade a strategic loss for a tactical win.

7) Remember to smile through all the little things. Your child will never be this little ever again and whatever is frustrating you in the now will soon be a memory. Make it a good memory.

8) Nobody is perfect. Including you. Dont feel like you have to be. Your best effort is all the baby needs.

9) This one is for Cris. Sometimes the most heroic thing you can do is slay the laundry monster. This is a good way to get husband points.
 
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Mr Leary has done a great job. A few of my own comments. Waterproof bbq aprons are required for dads changing sons. Backpacks make great diaper bags. During the first 3 months if everyone is alive at dinner time, call it a win. If you got to brush your teeth, gold star. Fat babies are happy babies. Buy diaper wipes in bulk. Stash them on every floor of the house and in every vehicle. Grandparents love to watch their grandchildren. You will feel guilty. That will stop after you get your first good nights sleep. Realize that your diet will become your child's leftovers. That's normal. Babies don't care where they sleep. I'll save the Benadryl in the soppy cup for flying for another day


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Thank you Mr. Leary, I needed this.
Have you thought about becoming motivational speaker ?
Haha. Im just trying to do a memory dump while its all still fresh for me. I will say that being Dad is the best job I've ever had! If I could only figure out how to win that powerball thing, I would Dad every day rather than work for the man AND try to be as much Dad as I can in in the rest of the day. Such is life, and life is good. I cant complain. :)
 
Mr Leary has done a great job. A few of my own comments. Waterproof bbq aprons are required for dads changing sons. Backpacks make great diaper bags. During the first 3 months if everyone is alive at dinner time, call it a win. If you got to brush your teeth, gold star. Fat babies are happy babies. Buy diaper wipes in bulk. Stash them on every floor of the house and in every vehicle. Grandparents love to watch their grandchildren. You will feel guilty. That will stop after you get your first good nights sleep. Realize that your diet will become your child's leftovers. That's normal. Babies don't care where they sleep. I'll save the Benadryl in the soppy cup for flying for another day


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This is so true.
 
This is a fantastic thread. I started a similar one on another forum as I am weeks maybe days from this. @Mr. Leary Some fantastic info. I can't wait to try it all out. We registered for most of that stuff. If only people would by off our registry instead of getting us nothing but clothes...
 
This is a fantastic thread. I started a similar one on another forum as I am weeks maybe days from this. @Mr. Leary Some fantastic info. I can't wait to try it all out. We registered for most of that stuff. If only people would by off our registry instead of getting us nothing but clothes...
Our registry for kiddo #2 looked like this:

1. Diapers
2. Wipes
3. Gift cards that can be used for diaper, wipes, or formula.

Everyone wants to buy clothes, but babies dont care what they are wearing as long as its comfortable and warm. That and they will only wear the clothes a few times before out growing them. Almost all of our clothes and toys both times around have been hand me downs, and we intend to continue that.

Pro tip: Take a few toys away that they arent playing with a whole lot when you clean up their room. They wont notice, and this is also the time when you should be filtering out the toys that are no longer age appropriate. Put the ones you still want to keep in a tote and throw them in the attic for a couple weeks, then bring the tote down and re-introduce them to your child. They will be so excited at the "new" toys.
 
Pro tip: Take a few toys away that they arent playing with a whole lot when you clean up their room. They wont notice, and this is also the time when you should be filtering out the toys that are no longer age appropriate. Put the ones you still want to keep in a tote and throw them in the attic for a couple weeks, then bring the tote down and re-introduce them to your child. They will be so excited at the "new" toys.

That's pretty genius.

Yeah, we had already received all of the hand me downs we needed plus a promise that as a friends daughter grows out of things they will send them our way. Clothes are something we don't at all need. But the only thing everyone got us. Would have preferred gift cards (we registered for them) or specific things off the registry. We did get some of the cloth diapers we registered for and a stroller / car seat from my parents so we have the basic needs.
 
Cris, I have some of this gear that I could pass on to you, I'll be at DRV

Matt



This is amazing, I can't believe you are offering up up this stuff much less the Hummer and trailer to carry it all :)

In all seriousness, thank you for the offer, we will gladly take any help or advice we can get. Tons of information in this thread, and I am trying to go through it and process it all.

As for the comments about the offroading car seat, not thinking of anything baja ready, but something that might be a little more suited to fire roads than a generic car seat. I have see things like this one online but don't know if it is actually better for the application, or just marketing and paying for the name.

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http://simpsonraceproducts.com/child-safety-seats/tyler-child-car-safety-seat/

as some of this information settles in, I am sure e will have more questions, but we truly appreciate all of the advice so far.
 
As some of the SE PA Highways are rougher than most fire roads, I would suggest what we used when travelling. We always had a handful of cloth diapers that we kept on hand. We never used them for diapers. Often times we would roll them up and put them on either side of our child's head while they were in the car seat. Put one of each side, and you have the basics of what is needed to keep their head immobilized while travelling.

I found something that will do the trick on Amazon. I think you'll see that rolled up diapers have more uses.
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I would also suggest installing a GoPro camera that will monitor and record. We have a couple of classic videos of my youngest doing some very silly stuff. Camera should stay installed till they are out of kindergarten as there were a few doozies that I would have loved to capture on film. Oh, and you can use it to monitor for safety, blah, blah, blah. For those I have just offended, I boiled the pacifier when dropped with the first, I rinsed under hot water for the second, I rubbed it on my jeans and then put it in my mouth to clean for the third. I am a strong believer in protecting and cherishing the young, but as my sister who adopted 3 girls from China liked to say, "If they can survive an orphanage in China, pretty much my worst day of parenting is better than what they've been through."

Have a blast! Every sleepless night, every worry, every success, every moment of sheer terror and madness is all worth it.
 
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