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They can bite me - I'm not putting a tracker in my truck! It will probably have a remote/internet engine kill command as well.

Cam
 
I'm so glad I don't live in those extremely progressive states. I just found out in order to travel thru Calif I have to have my rifle in a locked case...? Now I need to buy something else I don't really need. Ugh, I'm so over it!
 
I understand what it's for, just don't like/agree with it. I'm not a black helicopters guy, but if the tracker can detect whether or not you are on a public road, what else can it detect?

Who has access to the information and how is it protected (and I say protected in jest, IMO if it's on a 'puter, somebody, somewhere can figure out how to get it). Like the majority, I have nothing to hide, it's just one more step in what is becoming a complete invasion of privacy. Fortunately for me, hacking my life wouldn't pay off in the risk/reward thing for an interweb thief.
 
bob91yj said:
I understand what it's for, just don't like/agree with it. I'm not a black helicopters guy, but if the tracker can detect whether or not you are on a public road, what else can it detect?

Who has access to the information and how is it protected (and I say protected in jest, IMO if it's on a 'puter, somebody, somewhere can figure out how to get it). Like the majority, I have nothing to hide, it's just one more step in what is becoming a complete invasion of privacy. Fortunately for me, hacking my life wouldn't pay off in the risk/reward thing for an interweb thief.
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Completely agree.
 
Pay for a taxpayer paid item?? That sounds kind of like it's been done before... I-110 carpool lanes converted to fastrak toll roads? Although it only spans from the southbay area to downtown, it's still a tax payer highway.

Stop with the tracking and unnecessary taxation. We're taxed enough as it is.
 
richard310 said:
Don't those hybrids/electric vehicle owners already have an extra hybrid/electric tax implemented every year as part of registration?
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Not that I'm aware of and I'm a regular Prius owner (not the plug in).

California has discussed this type of tax Oregon is doing as well. Yuman Desert Rat hit the nail on the head. Gas taxes are down because of better mileage cars (hmm...mandated by gov't - go figure!). Sales taxes are also down due to internet purchases you are supposed to self report to your state and pay a use tax. How many here do? BTW - I do. States are losing tax revenue left and right and you still expect everything, but with dwindling taxes to pay for it? Someone has to pay for it.

I don't know yet whether I agree or not with the OP's original comment on tax for miles driven. It'll be an interesting debate as states search for ways to bolster tax revenue to pay for everything everyone seems entitled to now.

Sorry for the close to Pub comments.

Related topic - some insurance companies, mine included (Mercury) are now requiring odometer readings for insurance rate renewal information - more miles driven, higher insurance rates. Sure you can fudge what you tell them. Insurance rates like this have been mileage driven for years and just recently requiring proof of the miles you claim to drive annually. Taxes based on a similar concept seem to be on their way now too.
 
Did anyone notice that gas in California is about one dollar more than in AZ? Most of that extra cost is because of Arnold's global warming carbon tax (the rest is due to the mountains of regulations imposed by CA on the oil companies). This carbon tax has increased the cost of gasoline in CA between 15 - 20% relative to other states since January 1, 2015 . Most of the billions of dollars from the new carbon taxes on gasoline are going to the Fantasy Choo-Choo and crony capitalists (e.g. Elon Musk). Not one penny of this gas tax windfall is going to our roads.

Cam
 
Camadile said:
Did anyone notice that gas in California is about one dollar more than in AZ? Most of that extra cost is because of Arnold's global warming carbon tax (the rest is due to the mountains of regulations imposed by CA on the oil companies). This carbon tax has increased the cost of gasoline in CA between 15 - 20% relative to other states since January 1, 2015 . Most of the billions of dollars from the new carbon taxes on gasoline are going to the Fantasy Choo-Choo and crony capitalists (e.g. Elon Musk). Not one penny of this gas tax windfall is going to our roads.

Cam
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This is why I left with empty jerry cans and returned with the Jerry's full and the tank topped off. A buck a gallon is a huge difference at sub 10mpg
 
Arizona's gas tastes better too... :D

brentbba said:
Related topic - some insurance companies, mine included (Mercury) are now requiring odometer readings for insurance rate renewal information - more miles driven, higher insurance rates. Sure you can fudge what you tell them. Insurance rates like this have been mileage driven for years and just recently requiring proof of the miles you claim to drive annually. Taxes based on a similar concept seem to be on their way now too.
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I hate the idea of even more tracking, but the idea of calculating it the same way insurance companies do doesn't bother me so much. What does bother me is distribution of funds. If I'm putting 600 miles per month on USFS roads around Prescott I certainly don't want Phoenix to see a dime of those taxes. Likewise, a small town like Prescott shouldn't be able to mooch off Phoenix taxes. Whatever the correct answer is, something clearly has to change—our national highway infrastructure is literally falling apart.
 
From deep in right field... turn the Interstate Highway system maintenance over to the Army Corps of Engineers. Pure interweb speculation, no facts to back it up, but I'd be willing to bet that there are countless pieces of heavy road building equipment sitting idle, to eventually to be sold at auction for pennies on the dollar, at any number of Army/Navy SeaBee's/Marine reserve depots. Maintaining the current Interstate network and utilizing this equipment, would be an awesome training ground for the engineer's, and do the public good! Eliminating a minimum of 50 different government(state) organizations currently maintaining the Interstates almost has to be a money saver on it's own.

<donning flame suit> Friendly debate, but mod's may want to move this thread to the Pub.:cool:
 
bob91yj said:
From deep in right field... turn the Interstate Highway system maintenance over to the Army Corps of Engineers. Pure interweb speculation, no facts to back it up, but I'd be willing to bet that there are countless pieces of heavy road building equipment sitting idle, to eventually to be sold at auction for pennies on the dollar, at any number of Army/Navy SeaBee's/Marine reserve depots. Maintaining the current Interstate network and utilizing this equipment, would be an awesome training ground for the engineer's, and do the public good! Eliminating a minimum of 50 different government(state) organizations currently maintaining the Interstates almost has to be a money saver on it's own.

<donning flame suit> Friendly debate, but mod's may want to move this thread to the Pub.:cool:
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You might think that at the superficial level Bob when you see unit's engineering MHE and CHE sitting idle in a motor park, but their missions and capabilities of their equipment don't overlap in total to the civilian requirement. Their use in domestic civil roles will require a major change in statutory law and it will require a huge infusion of dollars to maintain an acceptable level of readiness to meet wartime missions and existing operational plans for other regions. It's in reality an unaffordable strategy.
 
I understand that it would be a huge shift in mission statement, and the labor unions would lose their minds, but something has to be done. It's not just the Interstate system, but the electrical grid, most cities water/sewage systems, etc, have all reached their intended life spans. Water main breaks in San Diego are almost weekly from our 100 plus year old cast iron piping system.
 
Infrastructure usually has a high rate of return for the general economy. The most realistic solution to implement that has any chance of success is a small federal fuel tax increase to fund national highway and bridge infrastructure coupled with state fuel taxes to fund state highway and bridge infrastructure, leaving municipal road and bridge infrastructure to be funded through property / sales / income taxes.

I think a fuel tax is the only way to adequately shift the burden to the heavier vehicles that cause the most wear on our roads... Trucks in particular. I would also make trains eligible to use off highway diesel and be exempt from many of these taxes, as they pay for their own right of ways.
 
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