Medications for an adventure?

WUZombies

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A nasty stomach bug slapped me down recently and I was thinking about being prepped for longer trips. We have a three week long trip coming up in June and although it isn't adventuring across lower Mongolia it would still suck to get a bad infection or virus. Have any of you ever discussed big trips with your doctors and pre-arranged medications to take with you just in case?

I'm not suggesting Norco or similar, just a broad spectrum antibiotic, anti-nausea and anti-diarrhea is what I'm thinking. Sense we're not leaving the U.S. I'm not worried about anything more severe as an emergency clinic will generally be within a few hours at all times.

I'm 99% sure I could call in a prescription request while on the trip and get something filled via a chain pharmacy, so it's really not a big issue, just wondering if others have covered this ground before.

Edit: Dave I guessed at where to post this, not sure if it should be moved.
 
Well you can try Imodium, Maalox and Pepto Bismol as an OTC solution. They will just plug you up. Best is to not eat anything and just drink water and let the bug die. Other than that , then Cipro or another antibiotic is the answer. Best to talk to a Physician about getting the best prescription .
 
A nasty stomach bug slapped me down recently and I was thinking about being prepped for longer trips. We have a three week long trip coming up in June and although it isn't adventuring across lower Mongolia it would still suck to get a bad infection or virus. Have any of you ever discussed big trips with your doctors and pre-arranged medications to take with you just in case?

I'm not suggesting Norco or similar, just a broad spectrum antibiotic, anti-nausea and anti-diarrhea is what I'm thinking. Sense we're not leaving the U.S. I'm not worried about anything more severe as an emergency clinic will generally be within a few hours at all times.

I'm 99% sure I could call in a prescription request while on the trip and get something filled via a chain pharmacy, so it's really not a big issue, just wondering if others have covered this ground before.

Edit: Dave I guessed at where to post this, not sure if it should be moved.

Unless you are going to Mongolia or any other location outside the Continental US I discourage picking up a prescription for a broad spectrum antibiotic (BSA). It's just this philosophy that has created drug resistant infections that are becoming increasingly more prevalent in the US. Additionally, without the necessary skills to narrow down the potential source of the infection that BSA could actually worsen the conditions you are hoping to suppress and could actually result in a broader condition of sepsis. Be a good citizen - don't be "that guy" who wrangles a script for a BSA because they're "the smartest guy in the room."

According to the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), antibiotics and similar drugs, together called antimicrobial agents, have been used for the last 70 years to treat patients who have infectious diseases. Since the 1940s, these drugs have greatly reduced illness and death from infectious diseases. However, these drugs have been used so widely and for so long that the infectious organisms the antibiotics are designed to kill have adapted to them, making the drugs less effective. Each year in the United States, at least 2 million people become infected with bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics and at least 23,000 people die each year as a direct result of these infections. Think of the environment you're creating for your family. Just don't flippin' do it.

But back to treatment of those other distasteful conditions you described. I'm "old school" in the regard to the subjects of nausea, emesis, and diarrhea. There's a reason your body reacts with this type of response - it's a fairly clever design with a lot of autonomic features built in to survive, despite the best efforts to interrupt that process. Typically, you introduced something bad into the corpus and you need to get it out - it will effectively do it one of two ways and sometimes both, if it's noxious enough. Along with that a common sense approach by treating with a period of clear liquids to maintain hydration and small frequent amounts of bland easily digestible foods to maintain energy and hydration, and "hunkering down" for a couple of days, allows the normally healthy individual to return to a normal state of health within 24-48 hours. But I appreciate that if you're "on the march" and need to continue forward momentum and need to suppress some of these more uncomfortable conditions.

Medicines for nausea are called antiemetics. They can help relieve nausea and vomiting. There are several Over-the-counter (OTC) medicines you can buy without a prescription from your doctor. Bismuth subsalicylate (Kaopectate, Pepto-Bismol) may help treat some types of nausea and vomiting, such as gastroenteritis (also called “stomach flu”). It’s also used for upset stomach and as an antidiarrheal (medicine to treat diarrhea).

Certain antihistamines may help prevent nausea and vomiting caused by motion sickness but for those driving have the unfortunate side effect of drowsiness. These include dimenhydrinate (Dramamine) and meclizine hydrochloride (Dramamine Less Drowsy).

Most of the time, diarrhea doesn’t require treatment. It usually lasts only a couple of days, whether you treat it or not. However, medicine can help you feel better, especially if you also have cramping.

When diarrhea is a symptom of an infection caused by bacteria or parasites, antidiarrheal medicines can actually make the condition worse. This is because the medicine keeps your body from getting rid of the bacteria or parasite that is causing the diarrhea. Talk to your doctor if you have any reason to think your diarrhea might be caused by a bacterial or parasitic infection. Based on what your healthcare provider determines, they will prescribe an antibiotic that targets that organism. A BSA will merely "shotgun" all the bugs, including the necessary normal flora in your gut, and just make things worse for you. Additionally, certain antibiotics, including those miracle BSA's, don't always play well with antidiarrheal medications so be certain to coordinate with your doc which works well with your prescribed bug-killer to minimize the time you spend on the porcelain Honda.

Common antidiarrheal medicines include loperamide (Imodium) and bismuth subsalicylate (Kaopectate, Pepto-Bismol). Remember, bismuth subsalicylate can also be used for upset stomach and as an antiemetic. How do these drugs work? Loperamide works by slowing down how fast things move through your intestines (bowels). This allows more fluid to be absorbed so that you have less diarrhea and more formed stools. Bismuth subsalicylate works by balancing the way fluid moves through your intestines. It also reduces inflammation and keeps certain bacteria and viruses that cause diarrhea from growing in the stomach and intestines.

*The author of this post has spent extensive time at Holiday Inn Express' throughout the US and is a recognized Rewards Club member. In addition, since 1980, is also a Registered Professional Nurse with extensive experience in the production and disposition of emesis and diarrhea.
 
Well you can try Imodium, Maalox and Pepto Bismol as an OTC solution. They will just plug you up. Best is to not eat anything and just drink water and let the bug die. Other than that , then Cipro or another antibiotic is the answer. Best to talk to a Physician about getting the best prescription .

Agree with some of your points Mike @mep1811 but I really discourage the use of Ciprofloxacin. This is an antibiotic in a group of drugs called fluoroquinolones; they fight a number of microorganisms in the body to treat different types of bacterial infections. It's also used to treat people who have been exposed to anthrax.

Like you, as a frequent visitor to unsavory locations, I too was on Cipro A LOT. Since it's so broad spectrum and fairly easy to administer to a large population (twice a day) it was a good option for those disease plagued locations. However, it has a metric butt-load of side effects that commonly includes nausea and diarrhea, and as @Dave can atest to, vaginal itching and discharge. ;) Those and some of the worst side effects have been linked to Gulf War Syndrome and several other musculoskeletal issues - but I got the VA thing going for me - which is nice, but not everyone does. The most negative side-effect is the prohibited consumption of alcohol, which rules this out for the majority of readers of this forum.
 
Good discussion.

OTC relief doesn't usually work for me in such cases, if it's bad enough I call (my wife makes me call) the doctor it's on the wrong side of the "good for you" process. This last go around the doc told me if I didn't get on top of this within he next 36 hours from the visit and taking the prescription anti-poop tablets that he wanted to admit me for dehydration.

You guys that have a more interesting/colorful history (the color being woodland BDU or similar ;)) have probably gone further down that road than I have.
 
The real question is research and self awareness. Where are you going? What are the threats? Where are you vulnerable?

I don't keep any prescription drugs in my kit except for those I take regularly. In the US I'm never so far away from a hospital where an unforseen event would cause my death or extreme discomfort without prescription drugs. Trauma seems the most likely requirement for 1st aid, but even then a hospital would be involved long before drugs would make a difference.

My usual kit includes:

Imodium tablets
Aspirin
Non-aspirin
Non drowsy cold meds
Hydrocortisone cream (bug bites and plants)
Anti-biotic cream (small cuts)
Hand wipes
Alcohol pads
Allopurinol (gout)
Claritin (allergies)

Thanks for the thread, it made me go through my kit where I realized I have some expired meds and one of my cold packs had been activated :(
 
A new drug that I think is a game changer is Zanfel.

You folks out adventuring in poison oak and poison ivy country need to add a tube of this cream to your kit ASAP.

If you've ever been torn up by this peculiar itch from urushoil, you know it can end a trip. I consider Zanfel to be fairly magical when it comes to poison oak.
 
Another thing that's important is knowing your allergies. Bee stings can kill you (anaphylactic shock) or a family member if you don't have the right meds.

Get with your doctor and carry an Epi-Pen at all times if you or a loved one are allergic to bees.

And if you have one, check the expiration often. These pens have a short shelf life compared to some meds. They'll still work (maybe) if expired they just won't be as strong...

Always keep all meds rotated.
 
Another thing that's important is knowing your allergies. Bee stings can kill you (anaphylactic shock) or a family member if you don't have the right meds.

Get with your doctor and carry an Epi-Pen at all times if you or a loved one are allergic to bees.

And if you have one, check the expiration often. These pens have a short shelf life compared to some meds. They'll still work (maybe) if expired they just won't be as strong...

Always keep all meds rotated.
Typically one year past their expiration date (FDA safety margin) then their efficacy decreases exponentially, influenced of course by storage conditions.
 
Another thing that's important is knowing your allergies. Bee stings can kill you (anaphylactic shock) or a family member if you don't have the right meds.

Get with your doctor and carry an Epi-Pen at all times if you or a loved one are allergic to bees.

And if you have one, check the expiration often. These pens have a short shelf life compared to some meds. They'll still work (maybe) if expired they just won't be as strong...

Always keep all meds rotated.
I try to keep this one up to date but have been known to let them expire. Asked the doc about this one time, his response was similar to yours, i.e., non-expired is best but if needed, use the expired one instead of nothing. My current prescription was written with multiple refills in a 12 month period so I've gotten a bit better about keeping current ones stashed in multiple places.
 
If you're starting at square one I would recommend gathering the basics with the Red Cross in your area. Everything else builds off those fundamentals.
 
A much more comprehensive manual is "where there is no doctor" by David Werner. It's available as a free PDF download on Amazon for Kindle I believe. The book is geared towards comprehensive care without trained personnel but is a nice reference to have.
 
Adventure Medical Kits has a section on their site just for OTC medications. They have some nice prepackaged selections to make things easy. They have similar prepackaged refills for burn care and would care. The nice thing is you can date the bag with a year and toss the expired/unused stuff and replace it a lot easier/quicker than piece-mealing everything together from your local R/X. Still need a prescription for the good stuff, but usually a quick conversation with your family doc can get you what you need... and while you're at it get a prescription for an epi-pen. Even if you're not allergic, having one (or more) might just save someone's life --- ask me how I know.
 
I have several kits put together that I keep in different family vehicles. Some supplies I buy in local stores like (Rite Aid) as my son works there and I get his discount. A couple other resources I use are:
http://www.buyemp.com/category/pharmaceuticals-otc
&
http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/category/M-TRAVEL

And yes like Dean said a quick consult with your family doctor can help you obtain some hard to obtain items, or doing a little Google search can net you medications available at vet supply stores for meds readily available for your pets that are same as available only by prescription for you.
 
And yes like Dean said a quick consult with your family doctor can help you obtain some hard to obtain items, or doing a little Google search can net you medications available at vet supply stores for meds readily available for your pets that are same as available only by prescription for you.

Offered purely for information purposes . . .

I hang out a lot over on the CheapRVLiving forum. Lots of people there get prescription meds in Mexico. For more info on how that works, see:

http://www.cheaprvliving.com/blog/s...co-for-dental-glasses-and-prescription-drugs/
 
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