License Plate Surveilance

Many toll plazas are going to "pay by plate" too. Noticed this in FL. Makes is interesting since my last trip down that way was in a rental.
 
Dean said:
Many toll plazas are going to "pay by plate" too. Noticed this in FL. Makes is interesting since my last trip down that way was in a rental.
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I ran into an issue with the golden gate bridge. It said to pay by the vehicle license plate, then got a bill for the trailer license plate. Took a bit for them to straighten it out
 
Optimistic Paranoid said:
Big Brother is watching . . . your license plates!

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...an-tech-nab-violators-tolls-article-1.2962969
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Pretty much the same tech used here in California to monitor/track revenues on the Toll Roads/Express Lanes.

I got a nice letter from the CDOT when I forgot to pay the toll on the 73 headed to Chino to get some transmission work done....$241 fine for my "absent" minded driving habit.

Love how NY state takes it another step by digging deeper to nab fine dodgers...aren't they also the same state that has an office dedicated to tracking the obits for "registered" firearm transfers?
 
GeoYota said:
I got a nice letter from the CDOT when I forgot to pay the toll on the 73 headed to Chino to get some transmission work done....$241 fine for my "absent" minded driving habit.
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Yeah, PennDOT does the same thing. I forgot my EZpass one day when I borrowed my mother's car. She flipped out at the letter with the expressed fine for running the plaza. Luckily I was able to write my EZpass account number down and have the actual toll without any fine subtracted from my account. It's too easy to abuse that system though making the bureaucracy too painful for people to make up for simple mistakes.
 
Been in use for awhile now, the most controversial use, is on the back of police cars, scanning everyone as they drive around town.

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But that's not the half of it. I've recently seen them with these things driving up and down parking lots.

https://epic.org/privacy/licenseplates/
 
While I understand and agree with the reasons against allowing this kind of tracking (I'm against all warrantless tracking), isn't it kind of a moot point for most of us? I mean, you can tell who's who from miles away just by the farkle we've bolted to our vehicles... :D
 
Chazz Layne said:
While I understand and agree with the reasons against allowing this kind of tracking (I'm against all warrantless tracking), isn't it kind of a moot point for most of us? I mean, you can tell who's who from miles away just by the farkle we've bolted to our vehicles... :D
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Right? I can't sneak off anywhere without hearing..."I see you were out scouting for turkeys down by Hemlock Crick" or "I saw your truck at Black Ash...you trapping turtles there?". I need a stealth ride if I ever turn to Evil.
 
Chazz Layne said:
While I understand and agree with the reasons against allowing this kind of tracking (I'm against all warrantless tracking), isn't it kind of a moot point for most of us? I mean, you can tell who's who from miles away just by the farkle we've bolted to our vehicles... :D
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True. I think I've seen one or two trucks with bumper/winch/snorkel since crossing the Mississippi...

... my truck is anything but low key here. Annoying really. Yes, that's a camper, no I'm not homeless... yes, that's a snorkel, no I don't take it underwater like a submarine...
 
I'm glad we don't see much of that surveillance and toll stuff here. Although I have seen similar vehicles at gun shows doing this. The promoter told me it's repo men looking for vehicles in payment default. Either way I don't park in the lots where they do that and I still don't like the big arm of government eyeing everyone already. As far as having an easily recognizable vehicle for attachments, it's because I'm like the only FWC owner in the Asheville area. Funny thing on that note; today I was driving over to see my friend at a bar she works at and there was a FWC Grandby on the back of a Dodge Ram. Turns out they were inside having a beer and I camped next to them at Expo west two years ago. They're heading back to Oregon tomorrow. They're members on here too. Hi Beth and Yeager !!!
 
LPR surveillance is in wide use in the Metro DC area. Not only LE vehicles scanning the highways, but toll plazas, and key intersections in the communities in the DC area. This region, and the whole East coast metropolitan areas are closely monitored and under constant surveillance since the tragic events of 2001.

Even portable emission collection stations placed along the highway. A couple years ago I recall entering I-95 on an entrance ramp in my community and noticed an unusual addition - a small monitoring box and rumble strip with a sign denoting it was a portable emission testing section. A couple months later I get a notice from the state along with an image of my license plate stating my engine emissions were examined at a portable "sniffer" and found to be within acceptable standards. If I submitted this notice along with a check to the state this would satisfy my bi-annual registration requirement. Convenient yet somewhat unnerving.

There is a lot of sophisticated equipment monitoring us daily, much we don't even know about. I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but if you think you're "under the radar," think again.
 
100acrehuphalump said:
I'm glad we don't see much of that surveillance and toll stuff here. Although I have seen similar vehicles at gun shows doing this. The promoter told me it's repo men looking for vehicles in payment default. Either way I don't park in the lots where they do that and I still don't like the big arm of government eyeing everyone already. As far as having an easily recognizable vehicle for attachments, it's because I'm like the only FWC owner in the Asheville area. Funny thing on that note; today I was driving over to see my friend at a bar she works at and there was a FWC Grandby on the back of a Dodge Ram. Turns out they were inside having a beer and I camped next to them at Expo west two years ago. They're heading back to Oregon tomorrow. They're members on here too. Hi Beth and Yeager !!!
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Repo guys use them, Tolls use them, police use them and even the parking service at Texas A&M uses them to nab parking violators (parking passes, etc. nearly 70,000 students, parking is measured in miles from class).

I have mixed feelings about them. Part of the technology is great, like with a BOLO on a dangerous suspect or an Amber Alert (or Silver Alert) the LE systems can be set to trigger when the computer finds the vehicle near. That's great. License plates associated with wanted persons, that's ok, but using the hit as PC for a stop gets my "that's not quite right" antennas up. Being able to poll the data to track patterns of movement of people who are just going about their day? Bad, very bad.

The problem isn't that the technology is being used, simply by existing it will be used and that genie won't go back into the bottle. The problem is how the technology could be used. At least with other tracking data (EDR, GPS device data, cellphone device data, etc) a warrant has to be issued (or extenuating circumstances exist) to access that data.
 
The Electronic Frontier Foundation has said the big problem is data collection and storage. There are no laws governing the use and limit of the storage. That data of movements is one of the most troubling. They've recommended the LEO's destroy it after a month. But the problem is most want to keep it forever. And while I can see how that data might one day catch a someone criminal, the other uses of it are beyond troubling. And if we are the bearers of freedom we should ask ourselves about this data and what standards we're holding onto.
 
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