Campmaid is a stand up company. I bought my wife a Campmaid Dutch oven, lid lifter/holder, and folding charcoal chimney for Christmas through a Kickstarter for the chimney. I didn't get any shipping information so a few days before Christmas I inquired about it. The founder posted up that I should receive it soon and it arrived the next day. When I got back to my office after the holidays, a second one had arrived. I'm pretty sure they just sent a second rather than trying to find the first in shipping nightmare of the week before Christmas. I emailed to ask how to ship it back and they said to give it to a friend instead! So I'll be donating it to the raffle at DRV 2017 or whatever the AAV staff is most appropriate, maybe the accessories for part of the Dutch over competition prizes.