Corona Virus, general conversation

I've been doing Hair for over 30 years.
In California, we need 1600 hours of schooling of which 60% is learning sterilization and sanitation , then there is the
State Board Exam of which 80% is sterilization and sanitization ,
After being able to go back to work on June 9 everything has been overly sterilized ( I'm not complaining) we removed stations to to give over a 6 foot distance , take temperatures, and limit the numbers clients we see a day, everyone must wear a mask, etc...
July 14 12:01am. They shut us down again
But packed Beaches , Riots and Protest are all acceptable..
I Don't get it

Sorry for the Vent
 

Mike

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I've been doing Hair for over 30 years.
In California, we need 1600 hours of schooling of which 60% is learning sterilization and sanitation , then there is the
State Board Exam of which 80% is sterilization and sanitization ,
After being able to go back to work on June 9 everything has been overly sterilized ( I'm not complaining) we removed stations to to give over a 6 foot distance , take temperatures, and limit the numbers clients we see a day, everyone must wear a mask, etc...
July 14 12:01am. They shut us down again
But packed Beaches , Riots and Protest are all acceptable..
I Don't get it

Sorry for the Vent
Agree! I don't get it either. It has no longer become "control of the virus", it has become "control of the people".
 

Doug

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I don't agree with Newsom on a lot of what he's doing and have bigger complaints about how he's doing it. Hair salons and barbershops can reopen with outside operations, pursuant to new state guidelines, fwiw. As stupid as that sounds, it's something.
 

Doug

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Agree! I don't get it either. It has no longer become "control of the virus", it has become "control of the people".
To what end? I hear this often from people and honestly don't understand how "controlling the people" does anything what so ever. Why would "they" be just trying to control people? Do you believe they believe people will just become dependent so socialism can take root? Serious question, not intended to be antagonistic.
 
I respectfully, disagree with the socialism argument here, Americans have mobilized in the past for common cause. Restrictions and austerity in WWII stateside life are one good example. The atmosphere of common cause in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 being another example.

Trying to confront a pandemic without a fully coordinated Federal response has led to this haphazard mess and inconsistent actions among state and local governments. We wouldn’t confront a foreign invasion in this manner but for all practical purposes we have been invaded by a highly potent virus, it’s in every state and it’s killing indiscriminately.

Some 14 years ago I sat in a joint Federal, State and Local conference in Arlington, VA to revise the National Pandemic Response Plan based on lessons learned from the first SARS-CoV 1 outbreak. Back in March it seemed like Fed/State govt were following a plan similar to that: close schools, close transportation (air traffic) = reduce the vectors, but then the politicians chickened out. A quarantine is an all or nothing approach. Honestly it was probably too late if the virus was in the US as early as January. Anyhow, the all-in approach might have worked to mitigate the virus if the vast majority of Americans were on board. Poor messaging made this political. Past that now. Spread of this virus is beyond control short of a massive unified effort to shut down again. So we all have to ride out this horror circus until they strike gold with a vaccine.

As a close to this, I caught COVID back in March, frequent flyer for work all over the western US. First two horrible weeks, the sickest I’ve ever been, 3 trips to ER. But bonus, some serious trailing symptoms for 4 months and ongoing. You don’t hear about the post-COVID effects. It’s not covered by the news much but it’s common and equally bad. So protect your families, protect yourself. Stay safe.
 

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Great post @Jimmie Perkins - glad to hear you are on the mend. I know a whole bunch of people who have had it now and bounced back. Your case sounds much worse than most I’ve heard of.

I work in healthcare. So does my wife (ICU nurse). We’ve been at this for over 20 years. It’s interesting when we hear people talk about a vaccine as if it’s going to be some magic cure. It’s not.

We have vaccines for many diseases. People still get sick and die. This virus will be here next year. And the year after. It’s not going to go away the way that we’d hoped it would. People should remember that as this continues to be politicized by all sides.

The show must go on.
 

Mike

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To what end? I hear this often from people and honestly don't understand how "controlling the people" does anything what so ever. Why would "they" be just trying to control people? Do you believe they believe people will just become dependent so socialism can take root? Serious question, not intended to be antagonistic.
As a native CA (native San Diego) I have watched as our state has slowly worked to reduce/remove individual, legal residents rights. CA has always been left of center in the political world but over the last number of years it has been swinging hard to the left. When I say "controlling the people", it means that the more you make people dependent on state/local services to survive, the more likely you are going to continue to vote and keep them in power. Power is what a political party wants. If your are receiving state assistance for whatever your need is, are you likely going to vote out the people who are giving that to you? Not likely. My guess is CA has more social programs then any other state and it all comes at the cost to the working class tax payers.

Yes I fully know this is a real virus, a real pandemic. People will get sick (and hopefully recover) but there will be ones who do not. Like Dave said, this is not likely going away. There may be better control of spread but that genie is out of the bottle. What I don't understand is how the state/local governments can dictate specific closures of business types but allow others that are likely higher risk. What needs to be done is to set a very specific requirements for business, to meet the most prudent safety measures that could be placed, not just close them. Let's use Jayrat's scenario. Hair stylist have some very stringent schooling and licensing requirements. Sterilization and sanitation are a large part of that. Do you think Walmart, Home Depot, Target have this type of training and requirements? No they likely don't yet are allowed to stay open. If the state/local authorities were to put requirements in place like adding plexiglass wall/dividers between workstations and limiting how many and how close they are together, requiring both stylist and customer to wear a mask, requiring a very solid cleaning between clients (which I am sure they already do), making sure ventilation and filtering been setup, wouldn't this likely make these places safer than walking into your local big box store which likely is doing a minimum of cleaning and additional safeguards?

Why not create a very specific set of requirements for businesses (based on the type of business) and allow people to work? If a individual business is not following these requirements or an outbreak is tied to this specific business, you close THAT business and not a blanket statement to just close all of that type, which is what is happening now. Let the customer decide the risk/benefit ratio. I have gone to some businesses because I feel that business has taken the appropriate steps to ensure we are as safe as possible but I have also not gone to businesses because the likely risk was higher than I felt the benefit was. Whenever I hear a blanket statement made, I immediately know that statement is full of crap. The minutes you say ALL, you have lost my support with the idea.

All that said, it circles back to control of the people. If they are not working, not bringing in an income, see the possible loss of everything they have worked for, they will accept the state/local government "assistance" that they now need because of rules put into place BY the state/local governments. More often they are happy they are receiving this assistance that they forget why they needed it in the first place. That is how a party gets power and power equals control.
 

Mike

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I respectfully, disagree with the socialism argument here, Americans have mobilized in the past for common cause. Restrictions and austerity in WWII stateside life are one good example. The atmosphere of common cause in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 being another example.
I totally agree with you for the past events that have occurred. Americans stepped up. Sadly I am not seeing that in our society today. It's not to say it's not there at all but in many states the makeup of the people in those areas are of the "all about me" mindset. What's in it for me? They no longer look at the common good or what is best for the majority. Main stream/social media has been playing huge role in this mindset. Everyone want's their 15 minutes of fame and these platforms are giving it to them. The difference between WW2 and 9/11 is that we had the threat of an outside country and the rallied around fighting that common enemy. With the change in mindset and this virus is an enemy with no face and totally random on who it affects, it does not seem to be any unity for everyone to work together. It seems there is a lack of American pride in so many.
 
As a native CA (native San Diego) I have watched as our state has slowly worked to reduce/remove individual, legal residents rights. CA has always been left of center in the political world but over the last number of years it has been swinging hard to the left. When I say "controlling the people", it means that the more you make people dependent on state/local services to survive, the more likely you are going to continue to vote and keep them in power. Power is what a political party wants. If your are receiving state assistance for whatever your need is, are you likely going to vote out the people who are giving that to you? Not likely. My guess is CA has more social programs then any other state and it all comes at the cost to the working class tax payers.

Yes I fully know this is a real virus, a real pandemic. People will get sick (and hopefully recover) but there will be ones who do not. Like Dave said, this is not likely going away. There may be better control of spread but that genie is out of the bottle. What I don't understand is how the state/local governments can dictate specific closures of business types but allow others that are likely higher risk. What needs to be done is to set a very specific requirements for business, to meet the most prudent safety measures that could be placed, not just close them. Let's use Jayrat's scenario. Hair stylist have some very stringent schooling and licensing requirements. Sterilization and sanitation are a large part of that. Do you think Walmart, Home Depot, Target have this type of training and requirements? No they likely don't yet are allowed to stay open. If the state/local authorities were to put requirements in place like adding plexiglass wall/dividers between workstations and limiting how many and how close they are together, requiring both stylist and customer to wear a mask, requiring a very solid cleaning between clients (which I am sure they already do), making sure ventilation and filtering been setup, wouldn't this likely make these places safer than walking into your local big box store which likely is doing a minimum of cleaning and additional safeguards?

Why not create a very specific set of requirements for businesses (based on the type of business) and allow people to work? If a individual business is not following these requirements or an outbreak is tied to this specific business, you close THAT business and not a blanket statement to just close all of that type, which is what is happening now. Let the customer decide the risk/benefit ratio. I have gone to some businesses because I feel that business has taken the appropriate steps to ensure we are as safe as possible but I have also not gone to businesses because the likely risk was higher than I felt the benefit was. Whenever I hear a blanket statement made, I immediately know that statement is full of crap. The minutes you say ALL, you have lost my support with the idea.

All that said, it circles back to control of the people. If they are not working, not bringing in an income, see the possible loss of everything they have worked for, they will accept the state/local government "assistance" that they now need because of rules put into place BY the state/local governments. More often they are happy they are receiving this assistance that they forget why they needed it in the first place. That is how a party gets power and power equals control.
I totally agree with you for the past events that have occurred. Americans stepped up. Sadly I am not seeing that in our society today. It's not to say it's not there at all but in many states the makeup of the people in those areas are of the "all about me" mindset. What's in it for me? They no longer look at the common good or what is best for the majority. Main stream/social media has been playing huge role in this mindset. Everyone want's their 15 minutes of fame and these platforms are giving it to them. The difference between WW2 and 9/11 is that we had the threat of an outside country and the rallied around fighting that common enemy. With the change in mindset and this virus is an enemy with no face and totally random on who it affects, it does not seem to be any unity for everyone to work together. It seems there is a lack of American pride in so many.
I agree, there is too much “me” at play in America right now. It’s a cultural trend. It’s too big of an ask to get the level of unity that is required for an extreme response. Even harder as you point out, against a faceless opponent. We are seeing that cultures that frown on that individualism, for the sake of the collective, are doing better against this pandemic. The Japanese saying, “The nail that sticks out gets hammered down,” sums this up well. Mask wearing when sick, heck staying home when sick was already standard practice in much of Asia. This isn’t the first or last of the big pandemics of our time. Next time it could be something way worse. Hope we learn fast how to be ready for the next one.

This is a task too big for state/local to handle, it’s what the Federal government should exist for. Maybe we can get more organized around that as the state of the pandemic normalizes around the country.

@Jayrat, hope you are able to take advantage of the guidance allowing outdoor operations for barbers and hairstylists. It’s ironic as your business is so regulated for sanitation, now CA is like, go ahead work outside.

I’m still gonna preach that everyone wear a mask and take all precautions. The price is small compared to the consequences.

As a funny (to me at least) end note, my doctors went down a long rabbit hole when I went to them with respiratory and other issues but no fever in March. This was a month after DRV, and when they found out that I had been camping in the SW Arizona desert they though for sure I had Valley Fever and/or parasites from bad water. I’m so ready to get back out there. Cheers!
 
@Jimmie Perkins Thank you for your Concern. Unfortunately the guidelines they put in place , are not realistic,
Environmentally you can not let any hair blow away, LOL it must be contained, because of the surrounding restaurants , I do a lot of chemical services (Color) , which is where there $$ is and we can not shampoo. it was a good attempt I guess .
This is a whole new world ,

Support the Mask
 

Doug

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My Executive Assistant at work contracted it and had some chest congestion but her main symptom was a headache in her sinus cavity like brain freeze for nine days. Her daughter had a fever that she nearly couldn’t control and spent a lot of thise same days in a cold water bath. Her daughter had the rash as well and likely has a scar on her arm that will never go away.
 

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Of the 3 cases I know of directly their symptoms varied widely.

Brother's Ex, Home but coughing up a thick mucus and feeling like carp. She's in her mid 50's.
Fellow FJ Cruiser Club board member, He ended up in the hospital for a week. He's around 40.
Very close friend's mother in a nursing home. "Feeling meh". She's in her late 70's.
 

Dave

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We had a guy, in his 40's, end up in ICU. It went from bad to worse and he has passed on. Very unpredictable this virus.
 
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